{"id":1028,"date":"2022-10-20T02:45:38","date_gmt":"2022-10-19T19:45:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/notesbook.vn\/?p=1028"},"modified":"2022-10-20T03:10:14","modified_gmt":"2022-10-19T20:10:14","slug":"john-pawson","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/notesbook.vn\/en\/portrait\/architects\/john-pawson\/","title":{"rendered":"John Pawson"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>British architect\u00a0John Pawson\u00a0CBE, who founded his firm of the same name in 1981, is hailed as the father of modern architectural minimalism.\u00a0A title he would most likely poke fun at, it\u2019s true that for more than forty years Pawson has championed nothingness as the most straightforward form of beauty. during his lustrous career, simplicity as a philosophy is something he has explored in retail designs for jil sander,\u00a0valextra\u00a0and\u00a0christopher kane\u00a0and in various monasteries,\u00a0churches\u00a0and\u00a0museums.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Having dropped out of architecture school when he was younger,\u00a0John Pawson\u00a0credits his learnt discipline in part to Papanese designer Shiro Kuramata with whom he spent six years working with in Japan during his late twenties.\u00a0Moving to Tokyo, he spent time in Kuramata\u2019s studio, whose work he had stumbled upon some years earlier in a copy of domus magazine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Now over 70, Pawson recalls this period as the time he learnt the value of hard work and the discipline required for a life in design.\u00a0Rad the\u00a0interview\u00a0with John Pawson in full below.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>What was the most important thing you learnt from your early years working in japan with shiro kuramata?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>John Pawson: <\/strong>The big thing for him was that design was incredibly serious and hard work and you keep your head down. And then hopefully there\u2019s something at the end of it, but it\u2019s not a given. He always talked about \u2018no sparks, no sparks.\u2019 If you saw him and asked \u2018how are you shiro?\u2019, he would say \u2018no sparks,\u2019 which of course was bollocks because he had the most fertile mind and he said a lot of his inspiration came from dreams. He was a very poetic guy, and not really at all normal. I mean, I just took away the bits of architecture that I thought were really simple.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"818\" height=\"577\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20020810\/john-pawson-interview-designboom-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-998\"\/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"818\" height=\"577\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20020810\/john-pawson-interview-designboom-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-998\"\/><\/noscript><figcaption><em>Photograph taken in Aram store, London, 1981, (Pawson far left, Kuramata second left)<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>When you started to work with shiro, had you already identified yourself as a minimalist?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I mean, I just hung around his office. I didn\u2019t work.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>How would you define your philosophy?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I guess I\u2019ve always tried to look for clarity, trying to make space through the things that you have to have. Any good adjectives like \u2018simple, straightforward\u2019 would be good as a philosophy. It\u2019s interesting because you know, where do aesthetics come from? I think they are just born out of logic. I mean clients expect when you go onsite \u2013 they say \u2018have you got any ideas?\u2019, and you go, well \u2018no, no I don\u2019t, I\u2019m just looking at the site.\u2019 But something always comes. Then I come back to the office with whatever I have, and, you know, if they laugh then it usually means it\u2019s not a good idea and they usually have a better one.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1470\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20021112\/van_Royen_Apartment_02.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1000\"\/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1470\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20021112\/van_Royen_Apartment_02.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1000\"\/><\/noscript><figcaption><em>Van Royen Apartment, London, 1984 &#8211; 1986<\/em>. <em>Photo: Ian Dobbie<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>And what\u2019s the relationship like with the client after forty years of experience?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I think it\u2019s much easier now, with the age thing and experience. But you know you\u2019re still dealing with clients and they are a special breed and they need a lot of love and care and patience. It\u2019s quite interesting if they\u2019re going to lose it \u2013 which is rare but sometimes happens \u2013 they avoid losing it with me.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-columns alignfull is-layout-flex wp-container-core-columns-is-layout-9d6595d7 wp-block-columns-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1335\" height=\"2000\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20021516\/1.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1002\"\/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1335\" height=\"2000\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20021516\/1.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1002\"\/><\/noscript><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1335\" height=\"2000\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20021520\/5.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1004\"\/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1335\" height=\"2000\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20021520\/5.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1004\"\/><\/noscript><figcaption><em>Moritzkirche Augsburg, CHLB \u0110\u1ee9c, 2008 \u2013 2013.<\/em><br><em>Photo: Gilbert McCarragher<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-column is-layout-flow wp-block-column-is-layout-flow\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1335\" height=\"2000\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20021524\/6.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1006\"\/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"1335\" height=\"2000\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20021524\/6.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1006\"\/><\/noscript><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>You have completed a lot of projects that involved going into historic spaces and transforming them with a minimalist paintbrush, have you ever been fearful of that?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We are very, very sensitive to the architects and to the people and of course we think that we are improving it. If I don\u2019t think I can contribute or do something with what we have got then I don\u2019t take it. I mean it\u2019s difficult to know to be honest until you have done it but if I am doubtful we don\u2019t do it. But with the\u00a0church in Augsburg, it\u2019s interesting what we have done or what we haven\u2019t done and what a huge difference it makes. You can say that we haven\u2019t effectively changed the structure much but it was a huge job and it was very much our work even though it is a fairly light touch.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1335\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20021832\/7.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1009\"\/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1335\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20021832\/7.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1009\"\/><\/noscript><figcaption><em>Nh\u00e0 th\u1edd<\/em> <em>Moritzkirche Augsburg, CHLB \u0110\u1ee9c, 2008 \u2013 2013.<\/em><br><em>Photo: Gilbert McCarragher<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>There\u2019s an interesting point that minimal spaces as a place for contemplation lend themselves to \u2013 perhaps not religion \u2013 but a spiritual sense of self.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yeah but it doesn\u2019t preclude using it for commercial purpose now. In Jaffa, in the hotel, we had the chapel deconsecrated. this happened to the chapel where the nuns were because owners bought the monastery from the nuns and we transformed the church into another space. 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class=\"has-small-font-size\"><em>The Jaffa Hotel &amp; Residences Jaffa, Tel Aviv, Israel, 2007 &#8211; 2018. Photo: Amit Geron<\/em><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Do you see your work as being inspired or informed by spirituality or religious themes?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I mean, my grandparents were methodists and went to chapel twice on Sunday. My parents obviously inherited both sides of their parents so then my parents had that\u2026my mother did a bit of church &#8211; going and my father, not much. But I would never \u2013 you know, I\u2019m an architect and I\u2019m putting bricks and mortar together using whatever means I can to produce a building to suit the client. And if it happens to be monks, you know, they want to be closer to god. so, you know, you\u2019re trying to manipulate the light and space and everything else to help them get there.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>That doesn\u2019t mean that I have to be religious myself or that I would imbue any non-religious building with the spirit. I mean, the monks said that they saw the Calvin Klein store, in fact, they saw a photograph of the Calvin Klein store and they thought, well, that would make a good church. Yeah, because if you remember, I mean, Jesus first gave communion on the kitchen table. I mean, to have an altar as a table \u2013 I mean alters are tables \u2013 it\u2019s not a big leap. The monks wanted something for them and they didn\u2019t care that it was a fashion store.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1500\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20022847\/Calvin_Klein_Store_02.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1017\"\/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1500\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20022847\/Calvin_Klein_Store_02.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1017\"\/><\/noscript><figcaption><em>Calvin Klein Collection Store, New York, 1993 &#8211; 1995. Photo: Todd Eberle<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Do you think there\u2019s room for those types of spaces to merge \u2013 can minimalism be playful?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Well you can play in them but personally I don\u2019t think there\u2019s any room for playfulness in architecture.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Why?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Because it is it has to hang around for so long.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Then do you think playfulness is a sign of short term vision?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>If it\u2019s, in a sense, childish or it\u2019s a joke, or some visual joke, of course. If you say playfulness in terms of Corbusier, or Picasso, a painting, then no.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>So, whilst minimalism might be seen as being a little austere, are there little nuances that could be framed as being playful? I think about you the cake shop you designed in london for instance.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Oh, yes, yes. in that sense, yeah. I mean, manipulating light and the variety of the changing of light, movement and water. there are lots of things.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"2000\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20023059\/Cannelle_Cake_Shop_02.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1019\"\/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"2000\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20023059\/Cannelle_Cake_Shop_02.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1019\"\/><\/noscript><figcaption><em>Cannelle Cake Shop, London 1987 &#8211; 1988. Photo: Ian Dobbie<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Do you ever project into the future, imagining how architecture might become?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I\u2019m very open. I have a fairly conservative view of building. I mean, clearly we\u2019re going to reuse existing buildings more and readapt them for current use and how they are used will change but fundamentally nothing\u2019s changed since the romans. If it is still concrete, brick, glass and space, and manipulating space. all the other things change in terms of how rules are used but there are still rules.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I am just trying to think of my sons. it is interesting because my oldest son Caius has a series of bands like the XX and Sampha, and stuff like that, and he wanted a John Pawson house. He bought a house and I did it up. He wanted what I do. I was fully expecting him to find a young architect and have something different. I\u2019ve never forced my stuff onto them because I mean, mine is a complete reaction to my father.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1579\" loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20023647\/Pawson_House_1999_02.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1021\"\/><noscript><img decoding=\"async\" width=\"2000\" height=\"1579\" src=\"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20023647\/Pawson_House_1999_02.jpeg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-1021\"\/><\/noscript><figcaption><em>Pawson House, London, 1992 \u2013 1994. Photo: Todd Eberle<br><\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>What do you mean?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Well, their house was full of antiques.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>So your style is kind of a rebellion against what you grew up in.<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Yeah. I mean there is a lot of my dad in me but my son\u2019s interestingly like minimal spaces. The thing is, Caius keeps booking our country house, for his big media type meetings.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity is-style-wide\"\/>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-small-font-size\"><strong>Editor<\/strong><br>H\u1ea1nh Nguy\u1ec5n<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-small-font-size\"><strong>Source<\/strong><br>Designboom<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Now over 70, Pawson recalls this period as the time he learnt the value of hard work and the discipline required for a life in design.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":1024,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[107],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-1028","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-architects"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/s3.ap-northeast-1.amazonaws.com\/media.notesbook.vn\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/10\/20024440\/6166.webp","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/notesbook.vn\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1028","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/notesbook.vn\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/notesbook.vn\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/notesbook.vn\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/notesbook.vn\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1028"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/notesbook.vn\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1028\/revisions"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/notesbook.vn\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/1024"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/notesbook.vn\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1028"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/notesbook.vn\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1028"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/notesbook.vn\/en\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1028"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}